Earthling 地球上的众生

  这是一部纪录片,有兴趣的朋友可以看看,说实话,我胆小、不忍心看;关于是否要推广这部片子,我和这位朋友有些分歧,全部对话未删节附录。

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my friend said (1:50 PM):
Earthling 麻烦推荐给大家,如果你看过的话
my friend said (1:51 PM):
你用饭否么?推荐一下吧
Yule Show said (1:52 PM):
饭否?
Yule Show said (1:52 PM):
饭否还活着?
my friend said (1:52 PM):
昏倒,又被封拉?
Yule Show said (1:53 PM):
饭否从7月8日起就再也没活过

my friend says (1:53 PM):
哎。。。真是遗憾,那麻烦你在blogger里推荐下
Yule Show says (1:54 PM):
推荐啥玩意?
my friend says (1:55 PM):
earthling这个纪录片啊
Yule Show says (1:55 PM):
同时通知你一下,blogger在中国也被封多时了
my friend says (1:55 PM):
http://2human.blogbus.com/logs/51707025.html    google video有free version,
my friend says (1:56 PM):
。。。。。
my friend says (1:57 PM):
你看过没?
Yule Show says (1:58 PM):
没有
my friend says (1:58 PM):
哦,那你一定要看下   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142#
english version, should not be probelm for you
Yule Show says (1:58 PM):
我正在verycd上下载
my friend says (1:59 PM):
ok, google video is free online, more easy
一定要看,然后推荐一下给你的follower
Yule Show says (1:59 PM):
我看了简介
my friend says (2:00 PM):
恩,推荐给别人看的时候,如果有的人不懂英文,可以去这里, 有中文字幕翻译 http://2human.blogbus.com/logs/51707025.html
Yule Show says (2:02 PM):
但我个人认为给中国人看这种片子没有任何意义
我们需要关注的是中国人,而不是中国动物
Yule Show says (2:03 PM):
虽然我在博客上也经常写些保护动物的理念
但是我更觉得要告诉中国人的不是保护动物,而是保护自己
my friend says (2:07 PM):
这些是about 人性,不只是动物, it is all connect, alright?
Yule Show says (2:08 PM):
正因为是人性啊
my friend says (2:08 PM):
你不觉得国人在政治无知的同时,也逐渐丧失良知么?
Yule Show says (2:08 PM):
中国需要的是民主的理念
中国的良知是被“钓鱼执法”丧失的
my friend says (2:10 PM):
人性先于政治
Yule Show says (2:10 PM):
民主不是政治
Yule Show says (2:11 PM):
人高于动物
my friend says (2:11 PM):
没有人性,民主是假的,美国的民主只是要多很多程序要向人民交代而已

my friend says (2:12 PM):
人不懂得尊重动物,那谈什么高于动物
Yule Show says (2:13 PM):
我不是素食主义者,我是不挑食主义者,主张食用动物的所有部分,让其死得其所
my friend says (2:14 PM):
没有人性的话,什么都是假的,这是所有问题的根源
Yule Show says (2:14 PM):
在中国的孩子还在喝三聚氰胺的时候,讨论保护动物有什么意义呢?
如果人性都展现不出对人的爱来,展示对动物的爱又有啥意义呢?
my friend says (2:15 PM):
意义不是保护动物,人可以吃肉,天经地义,意义在于唤醒人性
尊重动物,能够身同感受动物的苦乐,宰杀也要人道
my friend says (2:16 PM):
如果对动物尚且如何,何况于人呢?
善的本性并非不吃肉啊
my friend says (2:17 PM):
大部分人,包括国人,根源是善良的,问题在于无知,被蒙骗。
Yule Show says (2:17 PM):
连那些黑砖窑、三聚氰胺、断手断脚的乞食孩子都不能唤醒中国人的人性,你一部动物纪录片能唤醒?
这个片子很好,对于那些已经醒了的人很好,对于尚未醒的中国人,你的片子没有任何意义
my friend says (2:18 PM):
我不是总统,没办法在cctv播放,但是我愿意一个一个朋友的去说服
我的目标不在于改变全人类,在于改善自己,和自己能接触到的人
my friend says (2:19 PM):
别对国人失望,80%的国人是农民,他们需要的是了解真实的生活
Yule Show says (2:19 PM):
在中国目前的腐败高压大环境下,你的说服没有意义,明白不?
你应该教人怎么翻墙,怎么用twitter
你应该教人怎么读好英文,可以看英文的报纸
my friend says (2:20 PM):
性不纯善,容易误入歧途。 人的本性变善是最根本, 因为国外未必善良,
my friend says (2:21 PM):
疫苗还有说法是美国军方的减少人类的武器呢
你说中国人,哪里躲去? 推翻了,又来新的
my friend says (2:22 PM):
美国人什么时候被告知ufo真相过?
Yule Show says (2:22 PM):
国外未必善良,那是总体得90分的未必善良,国人未必不善良,那是总体得20分的未必不善良
为什么要推翻?
为什么一说到民主,就要推翻呢?
my friend says (2:22 PM):
CNN新闻不也经过官方筛选么?
因为GCD不会民主的
Yule Show says (2:23 PM):
你哪听来的CNN经过官方筛选?
my friend says (2:24 PM):
民主就是一把尺子,在一定范围内。 有的国家放的长,有的国家放的短
很多大事,CNN是不报道的
my friend says (2:26 PM):
你看到的是一部分的国外民主,其实生活在这里,和国内没什么区别,你也要翻墙,去寻找所有媒体没有的资料
Yule Show says (2:28 PM):
逻辑混乱,CNN不报道,不是CCTV可以骗人的理由;美国做得不好,不是中国也可以做得不好的理由
Yule Show says (2:29 PM):
这个道理很简单的,你不能说美国也有牛奶不合格,那我们的牛奶含三聚氰胺就是正确的
my friend says (2:29 PM):
我没有把中国和美国对比,there is no 对比。 we are all human, and normal human..
my friend says (2:30 PM):
you never know about what gov. doing
never
not reachable , ok?
Yule Show says (2:30 PM):
nope, we are all human but different, we are the human below average to understand the animals’
my friend says (2:32 PM):
understanding is basic nature of human, if we could not return this level, all other thing is bullshit
Yule Show says (2:33 PM):
hey man, if our person can’t get other’s respect as a humanbeing, why do thay give the respect to animals?
my friend says (2:35 PM):
every people should respect animals and humans, no matter what condition. You are perfect right point!!   Is that what you mean we don’t have to respect animal? don’t have to respect other humanbeing, if we did not get respect from others?
my friend says (2:36 PM):
come on, there is no return expect, that is nature.. not game, not job need payment
Yule Show says (2:40 PM):
I do not have any offsence for you, but I do really think you are much over the China’s current situation.  I agree we should take good treat to the animals, but I don’t think such a movie is took for Chinese.
my friend says (2:41 PM):
what is different you put Chinese compare to western?
Did you put different standard between Chinese and Western people?
and why is that?
Yule Show says (2:47 PM):
Do you really think Chinese and Western people are the s
ame?
my friend says (2:47
PM):
yes i think so.
Yule Show says (2:47 PM):
Do you mind put our discuess on my personal website and open for dialog, of course I will remove your name.
my friend says (2:47 PM):
there are huge western people living the world that gov. told to be
my friend says (2:48 PM):
sure
Yule Show says (2:48 PM):
I am sorry for saying that, on any personal offensive.
my friend says (2:48 PM):
no, i respect you, you love China i belived
Yule Show says (2:49 PM):
Sure, I think I do love China even harder than those are only saying good part of China.
my friend says (2:50 PM):
but my point of view, is not only China, it’s humanbeing.
there is something wrong about humanbeing right now
China is part of it, but not all of it
Yule Show says (2:50 PM):
the world is combined with Chinese and non-Chinese, understand?
my friend says (2:50 PM):
and all the probelm course is human lack of humanbeing;s nature
my friend says (2:51 PM):
not really, there is worse country
believe me ,there is much worse
i think we could communicate, the differfent is you think as Chinese, and i think as humanbeing.
my friend says (2:52 PM):
jump out of China, you will see, there is a lot of common no matter chinese or western.
Yule Show says (2:54 PM):
if a person can’t feed himself up, he won’t care about others, not only for the stomach, also for the spirit.
my friend says (2:54 PM):
human is human, we are all ruling by different gov, this one or other one, yes, we should try to get our own, or try to get better gov. but in the end, there is no gov. could be good as God.
my friend says (2:55 PM):
well, my point, is not we stop eat meat, alright ? you should watch this video first
the video show you how people treat them. there is better way to “eat” i am sure
Yule Show says (2:55 PM):
This video is no problem for myself.
my friend says (2:56 PM):
you have to get is first, if the people like you don’t care about this video, then there might be really hopeless for human
Yule Show says (2:56 PM):
But I don’t think it is good to distrube the video in China.
my friend says (2:57 PM):
don’t you think people should watch it?
that is basic education that excatly chinese people lack of ? no?
Yule Show says (2:57 PM):
All such good-looking, well-mannered things are leading Chinese take the focus from the very point to others.
my friend says (2:58 PM):
did people ever think about this when they eat? no ? did they ever think about different of gov. between western and chinese? no,  Why ? BCOS PEOPLE DON’T THINK
there is no very point this without human nature. Let people FREE TO THINK
my friend says (2:59 PM):
put truth infront of them, policatal, animal, 2012, what ever, let them to think
they have right to think for themself
and they should be able to think when they watch these
my friend says (3:00 PM):
otherwise, anthing else is pointless, bcos they loss ability to “think “
my friend says (3:02 PM):
人类却妄想独占地球,经常象对待东西一样对待地球上其它种类的居民或生命,这就是所谓的物种歧视。西班牙斗牛节与种族歧视,性别歧视一样,物种歧视是一种偏见,或者说是因为私立而采取的不公正的态度,为了自己种族的利益而欺凌别的族类。任何一种生命受苦,我们就有道义上的责任,对这种痛苦加以思考。不管生命的本质如何,平等的原则要求:一个生命受到折磨,就意味着所有生命也承受同样的痛苦。种族主义者会为了自己集团的利益,而破坏平等的原则。当他们自己的利益与别的种族利益相冲突的时候,性别歧视则是为了自己这一性别的人群的利益,而破坏平等的原则,同理,物种主义者将其自身物种的利益,凌驾于其它物种的更为广大的利益之上,这些歧视的案例,内容不同但都有相同的形式
Yule Show says (3:03 PM):
Ok, ok, stop
Yule Show says (3:04 PM):
I put the video link on my website, and also put the dialog as well. Ok?
my friend says (3:04 PM):
thanks

5 thoughts on “Earthling 地球上的众生

  1. I would have to stand up for your friend. He knows better about life overseas because he has actually lived there for quite some time by the looks of things. If you are not happy about your life in China, and feel you are kinda left out some sort of freedom, then you should move to overseas. If you cannot, then stop complaining and ensaulting the government. And in the end of the day, you should have your own judgement about the documentary, rather than thinking who’d care about animals when your human rights cant be satisfied. They are totally different things, and you are overly offensive.

  2. Firstly, I never say this documentary is a bad one. Personally, I think it is a very good one. The issue is that I think the documentary doesn’t match the the current situation of China. (不符合中国国情)
    By the way, if a person have to move overseas since he doesn’t like the government, then there were no any revelation in the world.

  3. my friend说:”人不懂得尊重动物,那谈什么高于动物”
    如果人不懂得尊重自己,那就真的谈不上高于动物了。
    “倒钩事件”、“三聚氰胺”、医疗事故。。。许许多多的事情都直接或间接的映射出道德教育的失败,和价值观的偏差。这不光引发出诸多的社会问题,而且是对整个国家的未来的一种扼杀。
    在谈尊重动物、拯救动物之前,应该先谈怎么拯救自己。
    不敢说国外人的道德标准如何之高,但就助人为乐这一条,作为生于礼仪之邦的我来说,真是汗颜。。。

  4. 别吵啦,这种事情怎么吵得清楚啊~~白白浪费时间伤感情~~
    每个人做自己认为有意义的事,每个人努力做好自己认为有意义的事,不就行了吗……
    动物和人孰高孰低……怎么不说饭都没得吃要艺术何用……

  5. 我是做广告创意的,看到你和朋友的对话,颇有感触。
    现在通行的广告作业模式,是美国人创立并在西方世界完善的。国外的广告创意,只做一件事情,即将产品的利益点最大化呈现,比如,讲冰箱的制冷,你可以很夸张的把整个房间都变成冰窟,讲情趣润滑油,你可以表现巨大的物体穿过微小的洞,如此种种。这其实有一个默认的前提:广告只是整个营销链条的最末一环,当一个产品被研发、制造、摆上货架,广告要做的只是引起注意加深印象而已,所以西方的广告都很怪诞、意外、引人入胜。
    这一切,到中国就行不通了。中国人更关注产品原理、产品质量、产品产地原料等物理属性,希望在广告中看到这些实实在在的东西。这是说明中国人更理性吗?非也,在我看来,是因为中国人活在一个完全没有诚信的社会,人人自危,人人互防,不相信任何人的任何承诺,一定要自己眼见为实。所以,在“正常人类社会”做广告的常态,到了“中国社会”就显得很不合适。
    举个例子,有一种锅,能缩短做饭时间,在台湾地区,被称为“快锅”,在大陆地区,叫“压力锅”。两做叫法,反应了两种文化。在台湾人看来,只要锅够快,我就买账;中国人则说,你不给我讲清楚高压的原理,我凭什么相信你会快?!这就是区别,或曰“差距”。
    回到你们争论的这支片子,这是外国人很热衷的话题,每年都层出不穷,跟广告一样,它是有一个默认前提的:即在正常的人类社会,人类应该关注动物的生命与尊严。注意!是正常的人类社会,当人还如“人”般被对待的社会,而现今的中国,很显然不符合这个标准。
    当人和动物都失去了基本权利,人的问题肯定要放在首位。
    另外我也想提醒你的朋友,生活在自由社会,先把不自由社会在思想中铬下的印记去掉吧,可能会有点疼。

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